tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-225087846795766487.post2625285022919997393..comments2023-08-12T08:41:01.080+01:00Comments on Green Bristol Blog: Another Cyclist KilledChris Hutthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01532451004057748734noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-225087846795766487.post-81696208662405994592010-01-18T14:23:03.095+00:002010-01-18T14:23:03.095+00:0018/01/01
this morning there was 'T-bone' ...18/01/01 <br />this morning there was 'T-bone' scenario on the Gloucester Rd in Horfield. A bloodbath. <br />Not sure of the final score. The delivery driver at Somerfield who was near the scene told me<br />"...the cyclist went into the car & through the windscreen..." which implies an onus on the cyclist, when the simple arithmetic is obviously the reverse.<br />BPSideburn Magazinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17388542247621130725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-225087846795766487.post-19317343671700189222009-01-30T22:28:00.000+00:002009-01-30T22:28:00.000+00:00We need to be careful with talking about "cycling ...We need to be careful with talking about "cycling and walking" as politicians will think in terms of trips of half a mile at speeds of 4 mph. <BR/>I have always found pedestrian organisations rather hostile to cyclists - I suppose that having driven to an off road path they then object to wheeled vehicles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-225087846795766487.post-45308102639954050172009-01-10T12:56:00.000+00:002009-01-10T12:56:00.000+00:00I think we have to learn from the past. Mass produ...I think we have to learn from the past. Mass produced motor cars have been around for about 90 years, but it is only within the last 40 years that motorists have constituted the majority of the adult population, so for the first 50 or so years motorist were a small minority yet gained a dominating position on the roads at the expense of non-motorists, killing and maiming hundreds of thousands in the process. <BR/><BR/>So being a minority doesn't necessarily mean being side lined. Cyclists, although a small minority, can and do organise to represent their interests. Pedestrians however are strangely reluctant to organise despite still being a majority group. If pedestrians and cyclists got together, buried the hatchet and pursued a common agenda, much could be achieved.<BR/><BR/>I think our priority should be to recognise our common interest in containing the car and work together. We want cycling to displace cars, not pedestrians. How about remodeling 'Cycling City' as 'Cycling and Walking City' for a start?Chris Hutthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01532451004057748734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-225087846795766487.post-75507734607652797352009-01-10T12:21:00.000+00:002009-01-10T12:21:00.000+00:00DonaQixota, you're right. The BEP is heavily ...DonaQixota, you're right. The BEP is heavily instrumental in fostering the negative image of cyclists and cycling. The fact that most road fatalities are caused by cars - whether speeding or not - is somehow overlooked. The publicity given to death caused by cyclist/pedestrian collisions confirms the rarity of such events, but unfortunately just reinforces the idea that cyclists are all nutters. The critical mass tipping point in favour of pedestrians & cyclists is a long way off. the Cycling City project, like the Environmental city nonsense, is looking more and more like a paper exercise.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16938325146413285031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-225087846795766487.post-26553395275673804242009-01-09T12:00:00.000+00:002009-01-09T12:00:00.000+00:00That's democracy for you. Not until such time as w...That's democracy for you. Not until such time as we are ever in the majority.<BR/><BR/>There's a catch22 somewhere in there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-225087846795766487.post-51741190692050461582009-01-09T11:53:00.000+00:002009-01-09T11:53:00.000+00:00A well phrased post Chris.When will councils/govt ...A well phrased post Chris.<BR/><BR/>When will councils/govt genuinely put pedestrians and cyclists as transport top priorirty??Glenn Vowleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02392000659876958930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-225087846795766487.post-12773271202522890352009-01-08T20:48:00.000+00:002009-01-08T20:48:00.000+00:00the point made is all too obvious to everyone exce...the point made is all too obvious to everyone except the people behind cycling city.<BR/>My serious concern is that their (ill thought out)rush to 'double the numbers' of cyclists will be done in a way that only satisfies the paperpushers and box tickers, but does nothing at all to move towards a fundamentally safer environment for the cyclists that ALREADY use the roads. yes, get more kids on bikes, yes, get first timers out there cycling, but for gods sake listen to the invaluable opinions and views of the existing riders too.<BR/>Perhaps the team behind CC should listen to their core constituents a little more. <BR/>As for the Evening Post? well the blinkered and frankly bigoted online responses that they seem all too keen to illicit keep on coming. Even following the tragic news about the latest cycling death, their contributors saw fit to slag off cyclists for all the usual cliched reasons.<BR/><BR/>I ride the Portway on a regular basis and it is with alarming frequency I am passed by cars driving at much higher speeds than is permitted on that stretch. Speeds which mean they would have little or no time to recover if caught unawares.<BR/><BR/>My sincere condolances go out to the family of this chap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-225087846795766487.post-80587651542485842582009-01-08T16:14:00.000+00:002009-01-08T16:14:00.000+00:00Sure the police should be neutral, but http://www....Sure the police should be neutral, but http://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/LocalPages/NewsDetails.aspx?nsid=15116&t=1&lid=6 clearly said "a female cyclist collided with a Land Rover" which - if the Post is accurate - seems to be the reverse of what happened. They've phoned me to say they're looking into why they wrote that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-225087846795766487.post-45279262010969157762009-01-08T14:52:00.000+00:002009-01-08T14:52:00.000+00:00The police have to report these incidents in a way...The police have to report these incidents in a way that leaves open the question of culpability and they refer to collisions and incidents rather than 'accidents' to avoid giving the impression that it wasn't anyone's fault. <BR/><BR/>Even then the Evening Post insist on changing the wording of the police reports to say 'accident' where the police might have said 'collision' or 'incident'. I'm trying to persuade them to desist from this (any support would be appreciated).<BR/><BR/>It's quite difficult to describe such incidents in completely neutral terms, especially when the public may interpret these things differently to what is intended.Chris Hutthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01532451004057748734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-225087846795766487.post-31367237177584995162009-01-08T14:20:00.000+00:002009-01-08T14:20:00.000+00:00I contacted Avon and Somerset Police to ask why th...I contacted Avon and Somerset Police to ask why they keep reporting the cyclists colliding with the cars, even when the cars run the cyclist over. They've replied to ask for my name and address. Huh?<BR/><BR/> I've heard accusations that the police are failing to enforce speed limits and general traffic law on the A370 in that area. I'll be waiting to see any inquest results with interest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com